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Are we stuck with the same Desktop UX forever? | Ubuntu Summit 25.10

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  • Presented by Scott Jenson, former UX designer at Apple and Google
  • An opinion. It argues one side of a question engineers disagree on.

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Scott Jenson argues that desktop user experience has stagnated and explains how open source projects can lead experimentation beyond current interaction models.

This talk focuses on that evil little term “UX/UI,” which is responsible for so much confusion and tension in open-source projects. Not only does it unnecessarily pit programmers against designers, but it also limits our vision of what we could be doing. In this talk, Scott Jenson gives examples of how focusing on UX -- instead of UI -- frees us to think bigger. This is especially true for the desktop, where the user experience has so much potential to grow well beyond its current interaction models. The desktop UX is certainly not dead, and this talk suggests some future directions we could take. About Scott Scott Jenson has been a leader in UX design and strategic planning for over 35 years. He was the first member of Apple’s Human Interface group in the late '80s, and has since held key roles at several major tech companies. He served as Director of Product Design for Symbian in London, managed Mobile UX design at Google, and was Creative Director at frog design in San Francisco. He returned to Google to do UX research for Android and is now a UX strategist in the open-source community for Mastodon and Home Assistant. 🌍 Ubuntu Summit 25.10 is a showcase for the innovative and the ambitious. Find out more: ubuntu.com/summit 📍Subscribe. Fuel your curiosity. youtube.com/UbuntuOS

Why it's here

4 people recommend this, 2 dispute it

What people say. Recommended for its thought-provoking perspective on the stagnation of desktop UX and how open source can drive interface innovation.

dgvon Lobsters • Recommends

Are we stuck with the same Desktop UX forever?

finnlabon Hacker News • Recommends

On “It's hard to justify Tahoe icons”

…has Bluetooth access (Which it has). And with the added graphical glitches (Apple likes to call them liquid glass) and weird window artifacts (For some reason, all my windows had a black, rectangular border one day), it’s honestly less reliable than my macOS-style Linux rice from 2015. I've recently watched this talk by an ex-apple UI/UX engineer: link to this video I think what he's talking about is precisely what got lost at apple.…

bsimpsonon Hacker News • Recommends

On “The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe”

Scott Jenson - who worked on the classic Mac for Apple, and Android for Google - recently gave a talk on this: link to this video The tl;dw is that copying UX lets others invest energy in identifying the paradigm. Linux, which tends to be starved for resources, has historically been reasonably well served by letting Apple and Microsoft define UX, while Linux focuses on implementing it. However, those headlining companies haven't been investing in desktop UX excellence in recent years. It's time for open source projects to embrace experimentation and take the mantle of cutting edge UX, because Apple et. al. aren't paving the way anymore.

glkindlmannon Hacker News • Recommends

On “The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe”

It may have jumped the shark, but it may be that now there's space for actual experimentation and innovation again. This talk from Scott Jenson (who worked at Apple in Human Interfaces) was thought-provoking and gave me a little optimism: link to this video

xnxon Hacker News • Disputes

On “Are we stuck with the same Desktop UX forever? [video]”

I felt rage baited when he crossed out Jakob Nielsen and promoted Ed Zitron ( link to this video ). Bad AI is not good UI, but objecting based on AI being "not ethically trained" and "burning the planet" aren't great reasons.

GaryBlutoon Hacker News • Disputes

On “Are we stuck with the same Desktop UX forever? [video]”

link to this video You're missing the ampersand. It's really strange how he spins off on this mini-rant about AI ethics towards the end. I clicked on a video about UI design.

jotaenon Hacker News • Mentions

On “Show HN: Picknplace.js, an alternative to drag-and-drop”

…le. To me, drag and drop is only a nightmare on mobile. On desktop (using a mouse or trackpad), drag and drop actually works quite well. Your design experiment reminds me of a recent talk of Scott Jenson, where he talked about how we just took over established UX patterns from desktop to mobile as is, and how that created all sorts of nuisances. ( link to this video ) If mobile drag&drop was implemented like you are suggesting from the very start, I actually might have preferred that over the situation we now ended up with. One technical note on your implementation: on certain mobile browsers, there is a glitch where the UI can jump around as the browser dynamically slides top or bottom menu bars in an…

jayweeon Hacker News • Mentions

On “Gnome dev gives fans of Linux's middle-click paste the middle finger”

> "we have to cater to what 96% of users know" Indeed. Just recently saw a talk "Are we stuck with the same Desktop UX forever? | Ubuntu Summit 25.10" ( link to this video ) where Scott Jenson (Apple/Google UX) laments we stopped innovating on Desktop. Such appeal to conformity is indeed quite sad from GNOME.

eighty8dayson Hacker News • Mentions

On “Multiple Mouse Cursors in Wayland”

This feels like a step in the right direction from this talk on desktop UX. Finally some cool innovation here! link to this video