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The Loudness War

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Matt Mayfield demonstrates how excessive dynamic range compression in modern music mastering increases loudness at the cost of audio quality.

Spring 2016 - check out my updated course, Foundations of Digital Audio, at lynda.com/Acoustics-tutorials/Foundations-Digital-Audio/3835… HD version of this video and petition to end the Loudness War here: change.org/p/music-streaming-services-bring-peace-to-the-lou… Big-name CD manufacturers are distorting sounds to make them seem louder. Sound quality suffers. NOTE: Use headphones if listening on a mobile device. Phones and tablets usually apply their own dynamic range compression on their built-in speakers, which hides the effect of this example. This video was made with image editing software and a screen capture program for the visuals, and a DAW (Digital Performer 4.5) to process the audio. Thanks to everyone for watching! - Matt Mayfield, St. Paul, Minnesota, USA

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What people say. Highly recommended as a clear, audible demonstration of how dynamic range compression degrades sound quality in modern music.

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On “In a digital age, vinyl albums are making a comeback”

I think one of the reasons that those people who prefer vinyl over digital do so, is that the recordings on vinyl are mastered with different qualities in mind than their digital counterparts. There's a YouTube video floating around called The Loudness War ( link to this video ) that describes what I'm talking about. I distinctly remember albums on audio CDs sounding better to me (great clarity, vibrancy, etc.) back in the early 1990s. Then, somewhere toward the end of the 1990s, CDs just started to sound worse. I blame the trend described in that video. I suspect that vinyl recordings do not suffer from this same tendency toward loudness in the audio mastering process, and that is why you have audioph…

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On “Why Are TV Ads So Danged Loud?”

The same reason why music on the radio is so dang loud– excessive compression. See: The Loudness War (just 1:54 mins long): link to this video

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On “The Dark Art of Mastering Music”

Your post led me down the rabbit hole of over-compression, not for the first time, and I ended up at this video which gave a very succinct answer to my question of: "Okay, I realize that music is getting compressed, but what are we losing?" link to this video Via a nice article with analysis: link

AlexandrBon Hacker News • Mentions

On “The Leave”

I'm a bit of an audio geek. What sets me off though is not digital compression (although I'm sure you lose some fidelity, I rarely/never notice any loss with 256kbps mp4s). What is really awful is excessive dynamic compression in modern CDs themselves - and it's far worse than digital compression. Music simply loses its punch. It can be hard to do an apples to apples comparison here, but if you compare an older album (Beatles albums come to mind) and a "remastered" version, one of the differences will typically be greater dynamic compression in the remaster. Some resources on the topic: link Some examples: link to this video link

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On “I Am Worried About My Ears”

…ounds smaller, as transients are pushed down in the mix. Listening to music with less DRC is more damaging to your ears (although it sounds better), if you are comparing two tracks with equal loudness. Keeping loudness constant in this comparison is valid because we will adjust the volume knob based on the track's psychoacoustic loudness. Example: link to this video and link to this video have roughly the same loudness. The first has less DRC and is more damaging to your hearing. This misunderstanding breaks down half of the article's argument. The other half---that loud music is cooler than it was decades ago---is probably valid I guess.…

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On “The CD’s Rise in the Music Business: An Oral History”

I will still occasionally buy CDs (I bought my first player in 1984 - the Sony CDP-101), but I'm a lot more critical about what I buy now. For the past 10-ish years, the studios have been eliminating dynamic range and cranking the knob on their compression software to "11". As a result, music has become painful to listen to. The name for this is the Loudness War, and with the exception of titles like Daft Punk's Random Access Memories , we are losing. link And here's an audio sample demonstrating what it sounds like: link to this video

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On “My full statement regarding DOOM Eternal”

”The same thoughtless disregard for basic music fundamentals that plagued the preliminary edits ended up on the final OST.” As a musician and music-lover, seeing how they brickwalled 12 Mick’s tracks in the screenshots only serves to add to the heartbreak of his entire saga. 1 Loudness War link 2 The Loudness War link to this video

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On “The 'Toy Story' You Remember”

And now we have the Loudness War where the songs are so highly compressed that there is no dynamic range. Because of this, I have to reduce the volume so it isn't painful to listen to. And this makes what should have been a live recording with interesting sound into background noise. Example: link to this video If you want a recent-ish album to listen to that has good sound, try Daft Punk's Random Access Memories (which won the Best Engineered Album Grammy award in 2014). Or anything engineered by Alan Parsons (he's in this list many times) link