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Epic v Apple: Judgment Day - Who Won? Who Lost? ...and Why? (VL538)

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Richard Hoeg breaks down the 185-page Epic v. Apple court decision, explaining antitrust law, relevant markets, and anti-steering provisions.

It's the day we've long waited for. The "Epic vs Apple" decision is in...and it's 185 pages long. Who won? Who lost? As it turns out, reasonable minds (and some unreasonable ones) can differ even there. So dust off that knowledge of antitrust law, the Sherman Act, Rules of Reason, intellectual property commissions, relevant markets, illegal restraints, anti-steering and more, and BUCKLE IN. We're going feature length...in Virtual Legality. #Epic #Apple #Lawsuit *** SUPPORT THE CHANNEL PATREON - patreon.com/VirtualLegality STREAMLABS - streamlabs.com/richardhoeg STORE - teespring.com/stores/hoeg-law-store *** CHAPTERS Introduction (A Look Back) Headline Headscratchers The Court on Commissions The Decision - Overview PART I - FINDINGS OF FACT Epic and Fortnite Apple and the DPLA The Relevant Market What is a Video Game? Market Share and Market Power Anticompetitive Effects Procompetitive Justifications PART II - APPLICATION OF LAW Apple DOES NOT VIOLATE Federal Antitrust Law Apple DOES NOT VIOLATE California Antitrust Law Anti-Steering Rules VIOLATE California Unfair Competition Law (Injunction) Epic IS LIABLE for Breach of Contract Conclusion (Responses) *** Discussed in this episode: "An Antitrust Epic" YouTube Playlist - Hoeg Law youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1zDCgJzZUy-lb7ReoUqL5_dTcM8ngmfV "Epic v Apple: Just the Trial" YouTube Playlist - Hoeg Law youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1zDCgJzZUy-TrSXpg6irNK7kbZt-NY0O "Apple must allow other forms of in-app purchases, rules judge in Epic v. Apple" The Verge - September 10, 2021 theverge.com/2021/9/10/22662320/epic-apple-ruling-injunction… "Apple can no longer force developers to use in-app purchasing, judge rules in Epic Games case" CNBC - September 10, 2021 cnbc.com/2021/09/10/epic-games-v-apple-judge-reaches-decisio… "The Epic v. Apple ruling could put a serious dent in Apple’s $19 billion App Store business" The Verge - September 10, 2021 theverge.com/2021/9/10/22667047/apple-epic-ruling-games-app-… "Major win for Epic Games: Apple has 90 days to open up app store payments" Ars Technica - September 10, 2021 arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/09/injunction-apple-must-open-u… "Epic Games Case Judge Says Apple Must Allow Alternative Payment Methods On App Store" Gamespot - September 10, 2021 gamespot.com/articles/epic-games-case-judge-says-apple-must-… "Epic Wins Big Fortnite Lawsuit Against Apple" Kotaku - September 10, 2021 kotaku.com/epic-wins-big-fortnite-lawsuit-against-apple-1847… "Epic v. Apple: Judge Rules Apple Must Allow Developers to Direct App Users to Outside Payment Options" IGN - S

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What people say. Recommended for its detailed, accurate breakdown of the Epic v. Apple ruling, correcting common media misinterpretations.

simondotauon Hacker News • Recommends

On “Epic vs. Apple: Judgment Day – Who Won? Who Lost? and Why?”

I'd suggest watching the excellent video by Hoeg Law. He has followed the case from the outset and goes through the ruling in intricate detail. Even within the first few minutes he starts noting how much of the media coverage is wrong or overstated. link to this video
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On “Epic vs. Apple injunction doesn't allow for alternative in-app payment mechanism”

If you're willing to wade through a very long YouTube video, HoagLaw offers a two and a half hour summary of the 185 page judgement: link to this video
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rvzon Hacker News • Recommends

On “Epic vs. Apple injunction doesn't allow for alternative in-app payment mechanism”

Precisely. As I and many others already highlighted it is not over yet and they are both likely going to appeal this. The media outright jumped into conclusions with their headlines and caused this hype of misinformation to spread very quickly and now we have to cut thought it and correct the wrongs they reported. I also recommend those interested to watch the first 4 minutes of the Hoeg Law video and even the whole video for an in depth look into the trial. 0 0 link to this video
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rvzon Hacker News • Recommends

On “Judge orders Apple to allow external payment options for App Store”

Absolutely correct. The Verge and other media reporters continues to omit this important note from the ruling itself from 0: Under all models, Apple would be entitled to a commission or licensing fee, even if IAP was optional 0 (p68) Seems like The Verge loves to spin their way into misinformation since they know that the majority of readers won't read the ruling text at all. For those that don't have time, it's better to watch the Hoeg Law video explaining the ruling in full depth. 1 0 link 1 link to this video
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On “Apple will charge 27% commission for alternative payment systems in Netherlands”

There's an excellent overview of the US Federal court's 180 page decision on Youtube, but it's rather long. The diction is good, so it's still understandable when set to run at a faster speed. The first 15 minutes is a summary and the balance of the video is a more detailed look. link to this video TL;DW, the judge makes it clear that Apple can still charge a cut even if developers use someone else's payment system. She also hints strongly that Epic screwed up by not challenging the size of Apple's cut instead of challenging their right to take a cut.
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