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Why I deleted GrapheneOS

Louis Rossmann

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Louis Rossmann explains his decision to stop using GrapheneOS, detailing his personal interactions and conflicts with the project's lead developer.

Chats you couldn't see on screen: drive.google.com/file/d/1kncBXXk4CPgRCNftDLe5uuP5XBevzKk7/vi… OId GrapheneOS videos, which were obviously done by someone whose goal was to sabotage the project(eyeroll): youtu.be/yIZmUINSvQ4 youtu.be/K3_O6H5YIAs youtu.be/Dx7CZ-2Bajg youtu.be/GEEZIuYVmqQ

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What people say. Linked as context for the controversial leadership dynamics and communication issues that led to the lead developer stepping down from GrapheneOS.

bernoufakison Hacker News • Recommends

On “Graphene OS: a security-enhanced Android build”

> It's objectively clear though, that this is a very low quality video full of baseless speculation, and severely lacking any technical understanding and knowledge. "Baseless" could not be further away from the truth. You literally have the GOS developer messages coming in live while he rehashes frivolous accusations and threatening to exposing him. To claim objectivity, when you seem to cherry pick the parts of the video that would (loosely) fit your narrative. Where is your evidence that Rossmann is in anyway associated to harassment campaign against the project ? > This is exactly the same as going to a restaurant, having an argument with the owner, and then claiming that they might be pu…
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theFrequencyon Hacker News • Disputes

On “Daniel Micay publicly steps down from GrapheneOS”

It's pretty clear to me that Rossmann decided he would go after Micay to protect himself in some way. Louis has openly and proudly stated he has "no patience" for anyone with mental issues that aren't "putting in enough effort to be normal". he's made videos about this and commented to this effect. I believe Rossmann grew fustrated with Micay at some point and then decided to bait him into a reaction so he could take him out of context to.. i dont know get back at him? Its not very clear to me exactly why he would do this.. but i urge you to rewatch the original rossmann video with a sober eye. link to this video then watch this one link
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sremanion Hacker News • Mentions

On “Daniel Micay publicly steps down from GrapheneOS”

I am not sure, but some context about Daniel's failings in communication may have contributed. The following is link to Louis Rossmann's video about his interaction with Daniel published today. link to this video This is speculation of course on my part and I do not have any evidence connecting the video with the event itself.
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joemazerinoon Hacker News • Mentions

On “Daniel Micay publicly steps down from GrapheneOS”

…ng my business. I did use Android Hardening afterwards, used CopperheadOS for a bit and then moved back to LineageOS. I refuse to use any of his projects again. I wish the best for him and hope he gets well. He's not mentally stable enough to run a project and he has a long way to go for understanding the nuance of interpersonal relationships. 1 - link to this video 2 - link…
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neomon Hacker News • Mentions

On “Lead Developer Leaves GrapheneOS Due to Harassment Including Swatting”

I'd never heard of GrapheneOS till 15 minutes ago. I couldn't understand why someone would randomly start swatting an OSS project maintainer.. googling around a bit lead me to this Louis Rossmann video: link to this video Also this: link Yikes. Hope this Daniel guy can get some help and find some peace, poor dude seems incredibly unstable. :(
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jacooperon Hacker News • Mentions

On “Lead Developer Leaves GrapheneOS Due to Harassment Including Swatting”

Finally. Daniel created a great project, then did everything to make people not use it. Any criticism, harassment You don't believe his story with copperhead?, Harassment. And so on. You can already see his community fans with new accounts on HN saying that Louis conspired against Daniel, he didn't need to do anything , Daniel did this to himself. For a background on this, have a look in louis's latest video link to this video
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ColoursofOSINTon Hacker News • Mentions

On “Pixel 8 Pro”

…r claims 2, 4, 5. Daniel can be a talented developer, privacy advocate and asshole at the same time. It's sad to see him (and others, like yourself) say stuff like "examine the baseless claims", without providing any sources. After all the drama with Calyxos, Techlore, Louis Rossmann etc, at some point one has to notice a pattern of behavior. 1: link to this video 2: link 3: link 4: link 5: link…
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jchwon Hacker News • Mentions

On “Enable MTE on Pixel 8”

Speaking of which, what ever happened with all of the kerfuffle going on around GrapheneOS leadership, anyway? I remember Louis Rossmann posting a video1 that felt pretty damning regarding project leadership, especially given that he seemed to be implicated in the mess for almost no reason at all. In general I wouldn't give a good god damn about drama, but I'll admit it: it's ALREADY hard to trust operating systems, and especially security software, that's effectively made by effectively random strangers on the Internet, but much worse so if it's unclear they wouldn't be willing to abuse their position. Daniel Micay (aka strcat on here I believe) apparently announced they were stepping dow…
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summmon Hacker News • Mentions

On “DDG founder says Google's phone, manufacturing partnerships thwart competition”

The usual: Voice some opinion that doesn't exactly match theirs, Ina friendly way, get insulted, get accused to be part of another group that allegedly is conspiring to harm them... Later found this is apparently a pattern and happened to others in a very similar way, e.g. link to this video
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onlion Hacker News • Mentions

On “Fairphone 5 scores a perfect 10 from iFixit for repairability”

Behavior akin to a paranoid delusion. See link to this video . The developer is gone, so no need to avoid the project completely, but CalyxOS is an interesting alternative anyway.
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joemazerinoon Hacker News • Mentions

On “GrapheneOS finds Bluetooth memory corruption via ARM MTE”

Rossman did nothing of the sort. Watch his video for reference. link to this video What Rossman referred to is easily revealed in this very thread from Daniel's comments. I refuse to use GrapheneOS because of Daniel's behavior. He has attacked me personally on this site multiple times.
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onlion Hacker News • Mentions

On “Mozilla will be retiring the Mozilla Location Service”

…this. Not if you are Mozilla, with that mission and money, not something that is so deeply entrenched. Though, reading it more calmly, I can see how them being hit by a patent troll can make their investment in this project untenable. There is a comment about the Graphene Foundation maybe providing an alternative. That would be great - but having link to this video in mind, with that maintainer still active the project and foundation is a complete no-go. The organic maps comment is the one to follow instead.…
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onlion Hacker News • Mentions

On “Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable”

…, what your security criteria here? microG is not a drawback, it's a proper FOSS implementation, which I vastly prefer to running Gapps in a sandbox. App compatibility has been perfect for me. The main criteria for it to be strictly better is that you do not give root to a dev that hallucinates enemies and then send their goons to attack them. See link to this video . It's nice that Graphene has a hardened kernel, that helps nothing if you can't trust the developer - different attack scenarios.…
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mhitzaon Hacker News • Mentions

On “Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable”

> They then started making up stories about me and throwing around unfounded accusations. That sounds oddly similar with Louis Rossmann's video when in disagreement with some (the?) project owner. link to this video
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Springtimeon Hacker News • Mentions

On “Original GrapheneOS responses to WIRED fact checker”

More context on experiences with Micay1. Also went on long rant at Louis Rossmann2 in an very knee-jerk tone, which led Rossmann to stop using it despite being a long-term advocate for GOS, due to trust issues. Likewise I don't doubt they're talented. 1 link 2 link to this video
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oceanhaiyangon Hacker News • Mentions

On “GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17 and official releases are coming soon”

Apologies, I didn’t catch this reply. I believe this video discusses some of these, I’ll have to scroll through Mastodon to find more. link to this video Edit examples: I’m referring to Daniel Micay using the official account to fight other people. Seems I’m not up to date, he supposedly “stepped down” from fighting others, link I firmly recall within the past two years witnessing similar actions but I’ll have to keep searching
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