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On “Svelte is the most beautiful web framework I've seen”
It's a shame that the site's down. Until then, you can (and I heartily recommend doing so) watch the "Rethinking reactivity" video here: link to this video
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Rich Harris - Rethinking reactivity
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- Recommended by 16 people: 15 on Hacker News and 1 in engineering communities.
- A classic. People kept recommending it from 2019 to 2026.
- Presented by Rich Harris, creator of Svelte
- May be out of date. Uploaded 7 years ago, in an area where tools change fast.
- An opinion. It argues one side of a question engineers disagree on.
Intermediate. Assumes working knowledge.
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Web developmentProgramming languagesReactVue, Svelte, Angular and othersCompilers and interpreters
Rich Harris introduces Svelte 3 and explains how moving reactivity into the compiler rather than using a virtual DOM improves performance.
Modern JavaScript frameworks are all about reactivity. Change your application's state, and the view updates automatically. But there's a catch — tracking state changes at runtime adds overhead that eats into your bundle size and performance budgets. In this talk, we'll discover an alternative approach: moving reactivity into the language itself. Your apps have never been smaller or faster than they're about to become. Slides: rethinking-reactivity.surge.sh/ YGLF 2019: Code Camp Blog - Rich Harris: israel.yglfconf.com/post/meet-the-speaker-rich-harrisWhy it's here
16 people recommend thisWhat people say. Highly recommended as the definitive introduction to Svelte and a paradigm-shifting talk on frontend reactivity.
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tl;dr watch this fantastic intro to svelte talk by it's creator: link to this video , it covers some of the growing pains of React that svelte addresses. While it might look like the frontend is going around in circles, there are major & minor differences between the technologies, and they have each introduced novel (to JS at least) things... Off the top of my head (this timeline might not be right but it's how I went through it at least): - Backbone got you away from jquery spaghetti, helped you actually manage your data & models. Often paired with Marionette to handle views (if you squint this is the precursor to components) and bring some order in that part of the app. - Angular bundles backbone's d…
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Highly recommend this talk link to this video Rich Harris is an excellent speaker and it's worth seeing how Svelte approaches some things
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…ly redrawing the required minimum (beside the normal VDOM approach)? Yes, in fact I think it's actually pretty hard _not_ to redraw the bare minimum LOL. If you want to know more about Svelte (even if you're not looking to develop with it) I HIGHLY recommend listening to this presentation called "Rethinking reactivity" by Rich Harris (the creator) link to this video > But does it solve the problem of growing state which never gets GC'd when components which used to use it are gone? I think the answer to the question is yes. Although the problem I'm speaking mostly about state management is the source of truth problem. Svelte provides a global store to store data, and data stored on local components are…
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The talk, Rethinking Reactivity by Rich Harris0 is an amazing talk which talks about how spreadsheets were the OG reactivity software. Highly recommended. 0: link to this video
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I haven't seen any, but as a relatively early proponent of Vue(as in: I was there when v2 came out), I found Svelte even easier to get into than Vue. Anyway Rich Harris' presentation is a good starting point: link to this video
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…? Probably not. Right? So that sort of tosses your argument out the window. I don't do JavaScript professionally anymore, but I've worked with jQuery, BackboneJS, lots of AngularJS, some Elm, some VueJS, and some React, but being the curious person that I am, in search of greener pastures, I checked out Svelte, by first watching Rich Harris' video link to this video on "Thinking Reactivity", then seeing the benchmarks: link , and watching Rich and Dan Abramov spar a bit over their challenges. From an outsider with no skin in the JS game, it is clear that Svelte seems far superior now and into the future... 1. it is a compiler (it's like comparing C/C++ to Python) 2. the joy of out-of-the-box animatio…
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This is a good talk on the matter from the creator of Svelte himself, if you're interested: link to this video Basically, it boils down to moving from tracking the DOM state in a VirtualDOM to tracking what DOM updates can happen at the compile stage and then just doing those exact updates to the DOM.
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I was drawn to Svelte by the performance/bundle size but I fell in love with how simple it is to write components and share data between them. Each component is just HTML/CSS/JS in a single file, sort of like Vue but cleaner. If you're curious I recommend either the "rethinking reactivity" talk from the author: link to this video or the tutorial: link Both are great!
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Ooh, if you liked what you saw of Svelte, you might like these videos that do a great job explaining some of its benefits: link to this video and link SvelteKit is very new and I haven't had a chance to use it yet, but my own framework was directly inspired by it. SvelteKit does a lot and looks great — fantastic developer experience, deploys to lots of types of services, SSR/SSG/client-side routing support, etc. And it seems like a great thing for Svelte to have as a default way for developers to start making Svelte components. Personally, I'm going to wait till SvelteKit a bit more mature before I dig in, but I'm guessing I'll end up rewriting my framework on top of SvelteKit at some point.
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…ctivity escape the component boundary. The same reactive model works everywhere, whether you're updating the DOM or building plain application logic. Rich Harris makes the point that React isn't actually reactive: "React doesn’t have any understanding of the values running through your app. It is not Reactive." Rich Harris - Rethinking reactivity: link to this video >Modern JavaScript frameworks are all about reactivity. Change your application's state, and the view updates automatically. But there's a catch — tracking state changes at runtime adds overhead that eats into your bundle size and performance budgets. In this talk, we'll discover an alternative approach: moving reactivity into the language…