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Can You Fool A Self Driving Car?

Mark Rober

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Mark Rober tests whether camera-only and LiDAR-equipped self-driving cars can be fooled by murals, smoke, and other obstacles.

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Why it's here

2 people recommend this, 2 dispute it

What people say. Recommended for its clear demonstration of the physical limitations of camera-only vision systems compared to LiDAR in self-driving cars.

vaulton Hacker News • Recommends

On “Raspberry Pi Lidar Scanner”

My opinion is that skipping lidar is nonsense. Check Mark Rober's video, published one month ago, "Can You Fool A Self Driving Car?" where he compares a Tesla with other Lidar-equipped cars: link to this video

rudolftheoneon Hacker News • Recommends

On “Tesla changes meaning of 'Full Self-Driving', gives up on promise of autonomy”

Here's a good demonstration why LIDAR SHOULD be implemented instead of what Tesla tries to sell: link to this video

eldaisfishon Hacker News • Disputes

On “Tesla drives into Wile E. Coyote fake road wall in camera vs. Lidar test”

Here is the original Mark Rober video - link to this video I dislike the fact that Mark's videos appear to increasingly borrow from the Mr Beast style, which is very distracting. There's also the fact that half the video has nothing to do with cars in the first place. The main result here is not surprising - Tesla's vehicles are plagued by a litany of poor engineering decisions, many at a fundamental level. Not using Lidar for depth detection is beyond stupid.

redox99on Hacker News • Disputes

On “Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other”

It's just like Mark Robers video1, where he makes all these wild claims that you can't solve X issue without LIDAR and tests an old version of Autopilot. When another user correctly tests with the latest hardware and software, it passes the test2. 1 link to this video 2 link

latexron Hacker News • Mentions

On “Can You Fool a Self Driving Car? [video]”

To skip the intro and go to the car tests, jump to 8:11. link to this video Spoiler for the results: The Luminar car (using LiDAR) passed all six tests. The Tesla (using only cameras) failed half of them: fog, rain, painted mural.

dzhiurgison Hacker News • Mentions

On “Tesla drives into Wile E. Coyote fake road wall in camera vs. Lidar test”

He disabled autopilot right before the crash. Before crash - you can see autopilot is on with rainbow road visualization, then cuts into his reaction, then at crash it's disabled - link to this video Caveat: Autopilot is known to disable itself right before the crash (if it senses it) tho. I doubt this is the case because he would've obviously mentioned.

thih9on Hacker News • Mentions

On “The Alexa feature "do not send voice recordings" you enabled no longer available”

To be fair, we don’t need a new product, a tesla can do the same1. With AIs becoming more powerful and expanding to new areas, it makes even more sense to avoid businesses that are consistently user hostile. I wonder if anti tesla protests and related bad pr will contribute to increased consumer awareness around the topic. 1: e.g. it can crash into a will e coyote style wall on autopilot: link to this video

NoTeslaThrowon Hacker News • Mentions

On “Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other”

…riving is under visually confusing driving conditions. Perhaps vision is sufficient, but it seems hopelessly optimistic to expect to be able to pitch it without some core improvement over human driving (aside from my ability to take the hand off the wheel while driving). Edit: hilariously, there's already a video demonstrating this exact scenario: link to this video…

godelskion Hacker News • Mentions

On “Raspberry Pi Lidar Scanner”

As someone who's done a lot of computer vision, it is insane to skip it. And it's sad because what everyone missed from that viral Mark Rober video 0 was not the Looney Toons wall hit but the fucking kid in the smoke. Add all the cameras and AI you want, you ain't changing the laws of physics: visible light doesn't penetrate smoke. But radar does. Every (traditional) engineer knows that safe systems have redundancy. That safe systems have redundancy through differing modalities. Use cameras, but also use radar, lidar, and even millimeter wave. Using just cameras isn't just tying one hand behind your back, it's shooting yourself in the kneecap afterwards 0 link to this video

janalsncmon Hacker News • Mentions

On “Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment”

AI isn’t magic. If there isn’t enough information in the inputs, you can’t expect reliable results. It’s the same principle in all of software: garbage in, garbage out. If there simply isn’t enough visual information, vision-only will fail. link to this video

latexron Hacker News • Mentions

On “AI is different”

Indeed. Mark Rober did some field tests on that exact difference. LiDAR passed all of them, while Tesla’s camera-only approach failed half. link to this video

latexron Hacker News • Mentions

On “AI is different”

> Humans use only cameras. Not true. Humans also interpret the environment in 3D space. See a Tesla fail against a Wile E. Coyote-inspired mural which humans perceive: link to this video

consumer451on Hacker News • Mentions

On “BYD's cheapest electric cars to have Lidar self-driving tech”

I am just some schmoe, but optics alone can be easily spoofed as any fan of the Wile E. Coyote has known for decades. 0 What's crazy to me is that anyone would think that anything short of ASI could take image based world understanding to true FSD. Tesla tried to replicate human response, ~"because humans only have eyes" but largely without even stereoscopic vision, ffs. 0 link to this video