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Steve Jobs: Sale/Marketing People vs. Product People

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Steve Jobs explains how sales and marketing professionals take over mature monopolistic companies from product creators, leading to a decline in innovation.

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What people say. Engineers frequently cite this clip to explain how non-product leadership can lead to the decline of once-innovative technology companies.

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