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  • Presented by Gerald Jay Sussman, co-author of SICP

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Gerald Jay Sussman explains why MIT transitioned its introductory computer science curriculum from Scheme and SICP to Python.

Trecho da palestra "Flexible Systems: The Power of Generic Operations", proferida por Gerald Jay Sussman, no NYC Lisp Meetup em 7/jan/2016, no qual ele explica o motivo do MIT ter substituído a disciplina MIT 6.001, com Scheme, por outras disciplinas com Python. O vídeo original com o conteúdo integral da palestra está disponível na internet (vimeo.com/151465912). Aproveite e INSCREVA-SE no canal, deixe seu LIKE e mande um COMENTÁRIO com sua crítica, elogio, sugestão ou pergunta! Obrigado por assistir! 📖 𝗖𝗼𝗻𝘁𝗲𝘂́𝗱𝗼: Série: Pré-SICP Playlist: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLk3bkShxC-bADG9hi7TJhP3cCI-hpfedO Trecho de vídeo legendado pelo Computação Raiz. ❓ 𝗦𝗼𝗯𝗿𝗲 𝗼 𝗰𝗮𝗻𝗮𝗹: O canal Computação Raiz é sobre ciência da computação, matemática, algoritmos, programação e tecnologia. Nosso objetivo é produzir vídeo-aulas e tutoriais de qualidade para alunos, professores, entusiastas e amadores. Visite o canal, SE INSCREVA e ative as notificações para não perder os novos conteúdos: youtube.com/channel/UCvMmv1qKphatAWH7ZhW1tjg 💕 𝗔𝗽𝗼𝗶𝗲 𝗼 𝗰𝗮𝗻𝗮𝗹: Apoia.se: apoia.se/computacaoraiz 🌐 𝗩𝗶𝘀𝗶𝘁𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘀𝘀𝗮𝘀 𝗿𝗲𝗱𝗲𝘀 𝘀𝗼𝗰𝗶𝗮𝗶𝘀: Web: computacaoraiz.com.br Instagram: instagram.com/computacaoraiz/ Twitter: twitter.com/ComputacaoRaiz/ Facebook: facebook.com/computacaoraiz/ LinkedIn: linkedin.com/company/computacaoraiz 🤔 𝗦𝗼𝗯𝗿𝗲 𝗼 𝗮𝘂𝘁𝗼𝗿: O Computação Raiz foi criado e é mantido por Abrantes Araújo Silva Filho, cientista da computação, médico, mestre em epidemiologia e graduando em matemática. Para saber mais: Web: abrantes.pro.br LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/abrantes-filho/ 👜 𝗡𝗼𝘀𝘀𝗼𝘀 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗱𝘂𝘁𝗼𝘀: (em breve) 📫 𝗘𝗻𝘁𝗿𝗲 𝗲𝗺 𝗰𝗼𝗻𝘁𝗮𝘁𝗼: Quer anunciar no canal? Precisa de informações? Quer mandar um presentinho? Entre em contato! E-mail: computacaoraiz@gmail.com ✅ 𝗧𝗼́𝗽𝗶𝗰𝗼𝘀 𝗻𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗲 𝘃𝗶́𝗱𝗲𝗼: lisp scheme mit currículo python linguagem para engenharia # 𝗛𝗮𝘀𝗵𝘁𝗮𝗴𝘀: #lisp #scheme #sicp 🎦 𝗖𝗿𝗲́𝗱𝗶𝘁𝗼𝘀: O vídeo original pode ser assistido na íntegra em: vimeo.com/151465912 O evento original está em: meetup.com/LispNYC/events/227620989/ Visite a página do LispNYC: lispnyc.org/

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What people say. Frequently cited to explain how modern software engineering's reliance on complex libraries changed how computer science is taught.

yazzkuon Hacker News • Recommends

On “Sussman Explains the End of SICP”

Don't miss Sussman's talk linked from the post: link to this video This stuff resonates with me deeply. The reality of the modern computing world is a clusterfuck that no single person understands, especially because, like Sussman said, parts are entirely secret/proprietary anyway. Therefore I think an engineer should be skilled in a) removing the unnecessary bits of that clusterfuck that are not necessary to their problem and b) getting stuff done without having a complete understanding of the whole system. (b) sounds scary as fuck, but I think that's the (sad?) reality we live in in the software and hardware world. Embrace the cluster; embrace the fuck.
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OhMeadhbhon Hacker News • Recommends

On “Why Fennel?”

Also... HtDP (How to Design Programs) is a good follow-on to SICP. Oh... and I think we can't mention SICP without referencing this (relatively recent) video about why MIT moved from Scheme to Python for intro classes: link to this video
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kagevfon Hacker News • Mentions

On “Learn Lisp the Hard Way”

My understanding is that the authors of SICP themselves wanted to update the curriculum - not just a language change, but to cover something at a higher level of abstraction. See: link to this video
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efortison Hacker News • Mentions

On “Programming Isn’t Coding”

Related, Gerald Jay Sussman explains why they pulled the plug on MIT 6001 (SICP) here: link to this video To me, part of the problem is that devs continuously change tech stacks without poking at the layers underneath. So only a few become proficient enough to focus on the abstractions. Similarly, now many designers are not more than technicians of graphic design tools.
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jstx1on Hacker News • Mentions

On “Ask HN: Is SICP/HtDP still worth reading in 2023? Any alternatives?”

Not necessarily as relevant, programming has changed a lot since SICP came out. Sussman says so himself - link to this video
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MathMonkeyManon Hacker News • Mentions

On “Tracing the thoughts of a large language model”

In a sense this has been true of conventional programs for a while now. Gerald Sussman discusses the idea when talking about why MIT switched their introductory programming course from Scheme to Python: < link to this video >.
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