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Alan Kay : July 2007 : A Conversation with CMU Faculty & Students

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  • A classic. People kept recommending it from 2017 to 2024.
  • Presented by Alan Kay, Turing Award winner
  • An opinion. It argues one side of a question engineers disagree on.

Intermediate. Assumes working knowledge.

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Alan Kay discusses the shortcomings of modern computer science education, the history of computing, and his critique of mainstream software development.

Turing Award winner, Alan Kay, visited the Carnegie Mellon University School of Computer Science in July 2007. While there he was interested in having a conversation regarding the state of CS Education with faculty and students. What has changed since 2007? This 80 minute video offers an opportunity to hear from Alan first hand as he spoke in a crowded room for a somewhat casual, quickly organized event.

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What people say. Highly recommended for Alan Kay's unscripted, candid critiques of modern computer science education and mainstream software engineering.

blessedonekoboon Hacker News • Recommends

On “Alan Kay's talk at UCLA – Feb 2024 [video]”

This probably my favorite because it was mostly unscripted Alan Kay : July 2007 : A Conversation with CMU Faculty & Students link to this video

skadamaton Hacker News • Recommends

On “The Future of Programming (2013)”

I think you'll like the discussion he had at CMU a few years back, which focused a lot on the technology side of things link to this video

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On “Comparison of GreenArrays Chips with TI Micropower Controllers (2010) [pdf]”

Funny you should say that. Reminds me of this video0 where Alan Kay, almost impolitely, tears into today's computing while talking at CMU. 0 link to this video

michael_j_wardon Hacker News • Mentions

On “We’ve got a science opportunity overload: Launching the Wolfram Institute”

Alan Kay has part of the answer in this talk 0 where elucidates the errors taken by formal Comp Sci education. He claims there was a battle in the university between testable curriculum centered around Algorithms and builder curriculums based around hardware and distributed systems, and says it's a shame that algorithms won out. 0 Alan Kay : July 2007 : A Conversation with CMU Faculty & Students link to this video

tomcat27on Hacker News • Mentions

On “A Case for an Open Source CS Curriculum [pdf] (2018)”

I'm glad an insider is thinking about this. But why do I have a feeling that it's written with an idea to make faculty life easy, not necessarily for a great student learning outcome, although that's what they say. Alan Kay (Turing Prize 2004) argues against current standard CS curriculum. link to this video Anyway few unrelated thoughts. --- The undergrad CS courses mostly do not deviate in content.The variance is in quality. "pick good professor over interesting course" paid off for me in university. Factors such as these matter: course pace, instructor and TA accessibility, course slides and other material quality, lecture interesting or boring etc. --- Isn't it surprising that one of the most watch…