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What Killed Smalltalk Could Kill Ruby, Too 01:00:55 by **Robert Martin** (2009)
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- A classic. People kept recommending it from 2012 to 2024.
- Presented by Robert C. Martin, software consultant and author
- An opinion. It argues one side of a question engineers disagree on.
Intermediate. Assumes working knowledge.
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Robert C. Martin discusses the decline of Smalltalk and warns the Ruby community about how arrogance and isolation can kill a programming language.
Robert Martin (Object Mentor, Inc.) "What Killed Smalltalk Could Kill Ruby, Too"Why it's here
7 people recommend thisWhat people say. Recommended for its historical perspective on programming language communities and the cultural factors that influence their success or failure.
AlexFromBelgiumon Hacker News • Recommends
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Thx for the responses. I just watched "What Killed Smalltalk Could Kill Ruby, Too" link to this video pretty interesting
brudgerson Hacker News • Recommends
On “Some Functional Programmers Are Arrogant”
For some context on Martin's comments his talk on how arrogance effected Smalltalk is probably relevant: link to this video and probably worth watching if you enjoy Uncle Bob's soulful stylings and are interested in his thoughts about programming language communities.
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On “Redline Smalltalk for the JVM”
After watching a few Alan Kay talks where he pines for Smalltalk, I happened to watch this Robert Martin talk "What killed Smalltalk could kill Ruby". link to this video The tldw reasons he gives for why Smalltalk died: - too easy to make a mess where adding complexity would be punished late. - arrogance - community isolated itself from the world and did not address common industry needs - commercial only - alternative free languages dominated
pjmlpon Hacker News • Recommends
On “Keep Ruby Weird Again [video]”
Quite interesting, maybe one should also check this older talk: Robert Martin, "What Killed Smalltalk Could Kill Ruby", 2009 link to this video
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…all. You like Rust? Great, Go for it (unintended pun alert), but I think we need all languages from all paradigms and perspectives. I find this talk 0 very informative and useful while interacting with other languages and communities. I'm not sharing this with any insinuations towards you, but just find it generally perspective broadening. 0: link to this video - What Killed Smalltalk could Kill Ruby.…
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> your arguments against Rust come off as biased. Yes, I'm pretty aware of this, and I keep this bias voluntarily, because Rust is generally touted (hyped?) as a Silver Bullet, and I'm wary of Silver Bullets. So, I want to highlight that fact. > Sorry if I came across as rude. No hard feelings. As I said, I'm not under delusion of a perfect life. I just said it. > I just find it slightly puzzling how your stance on it is kind of going up and down. :) I have a habit of mirroring the tone of the person I'm talking with. Combine it with the fact that English is not my native language, it's possible that "tone adjustment" is far from perfect. > it's been quite a while since I've seen Rust zealot…
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Having tried Ruby for a year, I have experimented this myself. With a strong OOP background, I can assert that it's not even an elite that enjoys ridiculing noobs. It reminded me of this: link to this video Also, just look at the top comment in that video. The irony.
brudgerson Hacker News • Mentions
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…te outside of the "what language should I build my next project in" marketplace and outside the segment of professional software developers. Smalltalk was killed by its business models. Without runtime licensing, providing a REPL meant that every application would come with a free copy. Not providing a REPL meant knee-capping the application. 1: link to this video…
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Too much dynamicity? Ward Cunningham: "What killed Smalltalk was it was just too easy to make a mess" (source: link to this video )
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First I was reminded of Uncle Bob's talk on programming language hubris: link to this video but as I went deeper thought about the effects of programming language tribalism, I was reminded of link it's reference to link and how this played out as a sound bite in US popular culture at the same time as the decline in women computer science enrollment began to decline. Being in the high school graduating cohort where the decline began, the decline of women in computing a subject I'm interested in. It's one of those subtle cultural/generational differences between me and my boy.
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"_As one might have guessed, this is not an essay. It's a transcript of the following talk by R. Martin with some substitutions made (SmallTalk -> Haskell, Ruby -> Rust, and others). You are free to make any conclusions from this._ What killed Smalltalk, could kill Ruby, too( link to this video )"
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Sure. Balls: link to this video Types: link I'll concede that I misremembered cajones as balls , but the sentiment is the same.
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…s happy to discuss PLT and merits of programming languages with neutral parties, even in lively fashion, but when open-mindedness gets thrown out of the window, I do leave the room. These kinds of healthy discussions will benefit both parties. Hubris, ego, closed-mindedness and fanaticism won't. Related: What Killed Smalltalk Could Kill Ruby, Too: link to this video…