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Defcon 18 Changing threats to privacy Moxie Marlinspike Part

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  • A classic. People kept recommending it from 2011 to 2019.
  • Presented by Moxie Marlinspike, creator of Signal
  • An opinion. It argues one side of a question engineers disagree on.

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Moxie Marlinspike argues that modern surveillance is driven by convenient services and network effects, making individual opt-out strategies ineffective.

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What people say. Highly recommended for its insightful analysis of how convenience and network effects drive surveillance, rather than traditional top-down fascism.

losvediron Hacker News • Recommends

On “Steps to Anonymous and Secured Communication”

> Or, maybe, IM with OTR without logging, but that . . . might also fall prey to crazy counterparty either not disabling logging or intentionally recording and blackmailing. I thought this was one of the benefits of OTR over, say, PGP. That is, with PGP if you sign a message the counterparty can wave it around and say "look at what this poerson said", while with OTR, since the encryption is done with a shared key, it could be just as likely that the counterparty made it up. At least, that's what I gleaned from this wonderful video1 someone linked to on HN yesterday. 1 link to this video
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yourcelfon Hacker News • Recommends

On “The Public-Private Surveillance Partnership”

Moxie Marlinspike gave a fantastic talk on this subject in 2010, even down to the government mandated tracking device vs mobile phone: link to this video
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CodeMageon Hacker News • Recommends

On “Surveillance as a Business Model”

I would highly encourage anyone who thinks that the solution is as simple as "don't use XYZ" to see what Moxie Marlinspike had to say about "Changing threats to privacy" at Defcon 18: link to this video
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CodeMageon Hacker News • Recommends

On “Open Up vs. Break Up”

> I think part of the difference in HN opinion color is somewhat related to transparency. It's not that I disagree with you on the topic of transparency, it's that I think we can't really compare opinions on two very different topics as if they were the same topic. People complaining about too many subscription content providers are not really arguing for or against a monopoly. It's not the same discussion. > And I'd say Google and Facebook haven't done a sufficient job in proactively informing the public about what they collect, how they generate revenue from it, and what's currently stored about a user. Granted, but I'm pretty sure that even if they did so, it wouldn't make much difference…
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jiggy2011on Hacker News • Recommends

On “I Don't Want To Be Part of Your Ecosystem”

Lots of people don't care about voting in elections, giving to charity, partaking in public demonstrations or looking after their health either. The problem is not so much whether people mind if their location is tracked or whether they have control over their hardware etc. It's more that once these things reach a critical mass it is very difficult to start to go back if we don't like where we are or indeed for an individual to make a choice to live outside of this stuff. It is articulated quite well here: link to this video At around 09:00
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lucb1eon Hacker News • Recommends

On “Facebook's AI lab”

Define: freely I think Moxie Marlinespike's talk at Defcon 18 (2010) was a really good one: link to this video He talks about how we do not really have a free choice when it comes to things like having a Facebook account or having a mobile phone. Namely due to the network effect, you don't really have a choice if you want to be a normal member of society.
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CodeMageon Hacker News • Recommends

On ““How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook?””

There's a reason most people don't like hearing that: it's not a solution. I could try to explain, but Moxie Marlinspike did it a lot better: link to this video
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sygmaon Hacker News • Recommends

On “Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp Users in Germany”

> Using the messaging service is a voluntary decision Yes, it is voluntary, but it would be socially alienating not to be on that service. Here's a relevant talk 0 by Moxie Marlinspike talking about that. 0: link to this video
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CodeMageon Hacker News • Recommends

On “CoinTent: A Sustainable Ad-Free Web”

I would encourage you to watch the Defcon 18 talk by Moxie Marlinspike, called "Changing threats to privacy". It explains why "simply don't participate in X" is not really a valid option. Here's the link to the talk: link to this video
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CodeMageon Hacker News • Recommends

On “Tech Companies Manipulate Our Personal Data”

> There are plenty of alternatives to social media - email, SMS, phone calls, and even decentralized options. I suggest watching Moxie Marlinspike's keynote for Defcon 18: link to this video
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Privacy in the Modern World (Defcon 18, Moxie Marlinspike)
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krappon Hacker News • Mentions

On “Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker”

wonder if a surveillance society could work if everyone was allowed access to the information. link to this video tl;dw -- it does.
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spindritfon Hacker News • Mentions

On “Julian Assange: Cryptographic Call to Arms”

> The world is not sliding, but galloping into a new transnational dystopia. This development has not been properly recognized outside of national security circles. I agree with Moxie Marlinspike on that, we were preparing for fascism but got social democracy1. Assange is still preparing for fascism. 1 link to this video
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throa8923489on Hacker News • Mentions

On “I used Google Glass”

Reminds me of this talk link to this video by moxie. We thought we would get facism, instead we got social democracy. We will be able to deal with this, though, using appropriate laws. Europe will certainly go down that route, the US will probably follow. For example, using the camera to take pictures or videos that are stored or shared (vs. just processed by some augmented reality algorithms) could enable a small lamp on the frame of the glasses. Just like a video recorder, but without the ability to (easily!) turn it off.
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rasengan0on Hacker News • Mentions

On “NSA-proof encryption exists. Why doesn’t anyone use it?”

Hmm...the writer of the article almost echoes the exact same narrative of Defcon 18 Changing threats to privacy - Moxie Marlinspike link to this video
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acqqon Hacker News • Mentions

On “Google Blindness”

The point is, Google isn't just "selling space." They collect the data about you, admitting themselves that they prefer to never delete anything. The key word is "targeting," remember? In process, they still know more about you than your mother or partner. Somewhere in their guts, there is a collection of data about you, the depth of it not even imaginable before. How we got here: Moxie Marlinspike, 2010: link to this video
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