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The lamps you're not allowed to have. Exploring the Dubai lamps

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Big Clive examines the construction and circuitry of the Philips Dubai LED lamp to show how underrunning LEDs increases efficiency and lifespan.

These fascinating lamps are a result of a collaboration between Philips Lighting and Sheikh Mohammad Bin Rashid Al Maktoum - the ruler of Dubai. They are designed to be the most efficient available, matching high lumen output with very long life. Once you see the construction and circuitry you'll realise this isn't just marketing spin. In return for the development Philips gained exclusive rights to manufacture the lamps for a fixed duration, extending from their announcement in 2016. Philips expect to have supplied 10 million of the lamps by the end of 2021. There is a requirement for new installations to use the new lamp, which has upset some designers and architects, as they are only available in 8 forms. 3W and 2W globes, a 1W candle globe and a 3W MR16 12V downlight version. All four available in either cool daylight or warm white to make up the eight options. This restricts the style of the lamp shape and excludes warmer whites unless coloured by a shade. They're also not dimmable, which contributes greatly to their reliability, but does require a more open minded approach to lighting design. The range also excludes the GU10 format, which isn't a bad thing as they're probably one of the least reliable lamps due to the use of electronics in a confined space with hot LEDs. These lamps are currently only available in Dubai. The likelihood of them appearing elsewhere is limited by the fact that they are designed to last a long time, which isn't profitable for the manufacturers. Maybe that'll change over time. Although Philips have initial exclusivity of supply, it'll be interesting to see what happens when that period of time comes to an end. Will the other manufacturers make the same amount of effort as Philips did? Slight correction. The two MOSFET gate resistors are actually 4.7Mohm and not 470K, which makes sense for gate voltage protection. If you enjoy these videos you can help support the channel with a dollar for coffee, cookies and random gadgets for disassembly at:- bigclive.com/coffee.htm This also keeps the channel independent of YouTube's advertising algorithms allowing it to be a bit more dangerous and naughty.

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What people say. Recommended for its detailed teardown and explanation of how LED bulbs can be designed for extreme efficiency and longevity by underrunning the components.

MrGilberton Hacker News • Recommends

On “The Dubai Lamp: The “World’s Most Efficient” LED Light Bulb”

I think this one here appeared because it's been featured on hackaday recently1, which got featured there because Youtube channel "bigclivedotcom" made a video about them2, which blew through the roof because of some Youtube-algorithm-doodads? Compared to his recent other videos, this really stands out in terms of views. (Although I can really recommend the channel). Anyways, the main thing is that these lamps use more filament-strips than usual led bulb, thus allowing them to run cooler and last longer. Unfortunately, they are only available in Dubai (afaik). 1: link 2: link to this video

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I love my incandescent bulbs. It is a threat to remove them. The heat they produce is amazing in the winter. I use a 100 watt bulb to keep me warm at my desk. Heat bodies not buildings. I've been practicing this since a child and I'm 36 now. To heat yourself, check out: link For actual good LED lamps (not the crap they push in USA) check out: link to this video TLDR most LED lamp are running over spec which cause them to fail and become a commodity rather than infra. I had a rear projection DLP LED TV which ran its red LED over spec and it burned out at least 3 times as fast as the green and blue. link The heat is not always just a byproduct, sometimes you need or want the heat. Compare this 100 wa…

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although it certainly is true these days, that the average LED based bulb is pushing those LEDs hard, which incidentally also makes them less efficient, rather than just using more of them at the same wattage. Check out the dubai lamp to see a lamp designed to be efficient and last: link to this video

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2021, cited source material comes from the always awesome Big Clive YouTube Channel. bigclivedotcom: The lamps you're not allowed to have. Exploring the Dubai lamps: link to this video

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There are a lot of cheap, poorly designed LED bulbs that put heat stress on critical components. Technology Connections : A troubling trend in lighting? - link (It goes into how a number of LED bulb failures are because the lamp wasn't able to dissipate heat from the electronic components. It also shows how some higher quality LED bulbs are made so that they dissipate heat better - they don't make as much heat as an incandescent bulb, but there is still some and that is the cause of a lot of failures.) The lamps you're not allowed to have. Exploring the Dubai lamps - link to this video is also interesting. They have a different design and it gets into the electronics.

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> Light bulbs don’t illuminate. I find this one especially funny as it's pretty much the lack of regulation that made the 'old' bulbs burn out much too quickly 1. And before someone says "but my LED bulbs keep burning out", also the free-market/lack of regulation. To see how they should be built watch Clive on how bulbs are made for Dubai2. 1. link 2. link to this video

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On “What Happened to the 100k Hour LED Bulbs?”

Interesting to see no mention of the "Dubai lamp". There was a previous discussion on HN 0, and of course the Big Clive videos about it 1. In short, the LEDs are underrun, which increases the efficiency, and should increase the lifetime (which as the article mentions is mainly related to heat). Edit: They're called "Dubai lamps", because they're only supposed to be sold there (even though Philips makes them). 0 link 1 link to this video

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> the fault is not in the actual light emitting element but (of course) in the driver.... Being over-driven. Big Clive loves to tear down LED bulbs to examine the driver boards. Often shows you ways to drop the current to sustainable levels and get back your 20-year lifespan LED bulbs (caveat, at lower power levels). link More specifically, example: link to this video

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The same game is still played today with LED bulbs (whether there's a cartel behind it or not, I do not pretend to know). See: link to this video

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Big Clive does this sort of thing on his YouTube channel fairly often. A few examples: * Adjusting a current regulator to drop a 10W lamp to ~2W - link * Adjusting a capacitive dropper-based lamp from 5W to 0.5W - link * Making a "Dooby" (inspired by the Philips Dubai lamps1) lamp - using a series capacitor to make various lamps run at 0.1-2W - link 1 They're designed to have a higher energy efficiency and a longer operational life - link to this video

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There are in fact LED bulbs that aren't overdriven to a deliberate and premature thermal death, but you can only buy them in Dubai: link to this video Lightbulbs have a long and very successful history of artificially driving lightbulb lifetimes down though a cartel system: link If you're building your own LED fixtures, you can probably underdrive the LEDs and run them at a radically cooler and slightly more efficient operating point, at a higher upfront cost: you need more LEDs for the same output.

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…se. It is possible (and not very difficult) to design LED bulbs that will practically outlive their owners 1. The problem is that it requires putting more LEDs in the bulb and driving them at lower current. This makes the bulb cost more and the only benefit is longer life. For a manufacturer, there are nothing but downsides to this approach. 1 link to this video…

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I remember seeing a relevant video about Dubai and some bulb company working together to create a longer life led bulb. Ok here it is -- The lamps you're not allowed to have. Exploring the Dubai lamps link to this video > These fascinating lamps are a result of a collaboration between Philips Lighting and Sheikh Mohammad Bin Rashid Al Maktoum - the ruler of Dubai. They are designed to be the most efficient available, matching high lumen output with very long life. Once you see the construction and circuitry you'll realise this isn't just marketing spin. Now I want to actually look into and see if they're available elsewhere, because my LED bulbs really do seem to fail pretty frequently...

chonglion Hacker News • Mentions

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Yes, it’s because they drive the heck out of the LEDs to get their maximum rated light output. This produces excessive heat, shortening the lifespan of everything inside the case, including the very cheap electronics they use to rectify mains AC. In Dubai they actually have efficient and long-lasting LED lights 1. These exist in order to satisfy strict government regulation there. They’re not sold anywhere else because they’re more expensive to make (more LEDs per bulb running at lower output). 1 link to this video

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On “United Wizards of the Coast”

No argument from me, other than: All those things can be also be said about corporations. You brought up lamplighters and the electric lightbulb. It's worth noting that corporations had a cartel that prevented lightbulbs from running longer than a few years. And to some extent that still happens. Big Clive did a good video on the Dubai Lamp a few years back, and why you can't buy them anywhere but in Dubai. link to this video