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The Problem With Facebook

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Derek Muller explains how Facebook's business model and algorithms force creators to pay to reach their own audience.

WATCH THE FOLLOW-UP: youtube.com/watch?v=oVfHeWTKjag The problem is much worse than I originally thought. Share this on Facebook ;) Facebook is a complex ecosystem of individuals, creators, brands and advertisers, but I don't think it serves any of these groups particularly well because its top priority is to make money. Now, I don't think making money is a bad thing, in fact I hope to make some myself. The problem is the only way Facebook has found to make money is by treating all entities on the site as advertisers and charging them to share their content. This business plan backfires because 1) not all entities ARE advertisers and 2) it was the content from these people, specifically friends, family, and creators that made the site worth visiting in the first place. Now the incentives are misaligned: - individuals want to see great content, but they are now seeing more paid content and organically shared content which appeals to the lowest common denominator (babies, weddings, and banal memes) - creators want to reach fans but their posts are being throttled to force them to pay to be seen - brands and advertisers have to pay once to advertise their page on Facebook, and then pay again to reach the people who have already liked their page. Plus Facebook is not a place where people generally go to buy things. Facebook stands in contrast to other social media like Twitter, YouTube, and Instagram where all content is shared with all followers.

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What people say. Recommended for its clear explanation of the structural issues and misaligned incentives in Facebook's advertising model.

lingbenon Hacker News • Recommends

On “Facebook Fraud [video]”

If you haven't yet watched Derek's earlier video about "the problem with facebook", you should: link to this video because in it he lays bare several fundamental structural issues about facebook which 99% people don't realize. Well worth the watch. Unless fb changes drastically, it will die a surprisingly fast death.

lingbenon Hacker News • Recommends

On “With New Ad Platform, Facebook Opens Gates to Its Vault of User Data”

facebook ads are junk and have been proven to be so before you waste any money, watch these two videos: link link to this video

lingbenon Hacker News • Recommends

On “The Bot Bubble: Click Farms Have Inflated Social Media Currency”

for those interested in this topic these two excellent videos from veritasium corroborate this article and go beyond to explain the stark implications for facebook's business model: facebook fraud: link the problem with facebook: link to this video > From January 2013 to February 2014, a global team of researchers from the Max Planck Institute for Software Systems, Microsoft’s and AT&T’s research labs, as well as Boston and Northeastern Universities, conducted an experiment designed to determine just how often advertising campaigns resulted in likes from fake profiles. The researchers ran ten Facebook advertising campaigns, and when they analyzed the likes resulting from those campaigns, they found t…

lingbenon Hacker News • Recommends

On “A Facebook bot purge clobbered USA Today”

for a fantastic expose of how facebook is riddled with fraud and bots, check out veritasium's two videos: facebook fraud link the problem with facebook link to this video

vacrion Hacker News • Recommends

On “The Free Marketing Gravy Train Is Over on Facebook”

Ambiguous headline: 'over' meaning 'finished'? Or 'over' meaning 'located'? Veritasium has an interesting related video explaining some of the Facebook shennanigans where they withhold your posts from a large amount of your subscribers if you're popular, unless you pay them money: link to this video

lingbenon Hacker News • Recommends

On “The Free Marketing Gravy Train Is Over on Facebook”

in case you haven't watched these videos from Veritasium yet: link to this video link both videos show why facebook's model is inherently self-destructive and incoherent and will inevitably implode

vacrion Hacker News • Recommends

On “Facebook earnings gain as ad sales surge 82%; CFO is stepping down”

…generally 20-40% of whom interacted with his page in some way. After paying for more views, they were all from developing countries, a profile of users he'd never seen before with very little (0-1%) engagement with his page. It's worth checking out his videos if you want more detail on the patterns he found. It's pretty clear that it's fraudulent. link to this video (explores problems he sees with FB as a marketing platform) link (massive influx of unengaged developing-world pageviews)…

Veedracon Hacker News • Recommends

On “Reasons not to use Facebook”

Since this seems to just be a braindump, I might as well add Veritasium's comments on the matter: link to this video link I found them pretty interesting listening from a content-distribution and -consumption side of things, rather than from a social-network perspective.

lingbenon Hacker News • Recommends

On “Why Facebook’s video theft problem can’t last”

facebook as a platform and business is hollow, but very few realize it. this is similar to Enron, Madoff, the financial crisis, Groupon, etc. history has shown that 99.99999% of people totally miss these business models that are built on a MASSIVELY fraudulent or hollow foundation. When the music stops thousands and thousands of gallons of pixels will be spilt trying to explain how nobody saw their collapse coming and why they are not to blame. Here are two videos that succinctly introduce the reality of facebook's mirage: link link to this video

vacrion Hacker News • Recommends

On “How we unnecessarily burned 20k with Facebook Ads”

Derek Muller burned money on Facebook ads, and did an analysis showing that their metrics are flat-out horseshit. Definitely have a watch if you're considering spending on Facebook. link to this video

j_son Hacker News • Mentions

On “Facebook Puts a Downer on Upworthy”

This has been called The Problem with Facebook ('Facebook uses its filtering power to make money ... we are all advertisers') by the guy currently on the frontpage for his 'Facebook Fraud' video ( link ). The Problem With Facebook link to this video

sparkieon Hacker News • Mentions

On “Ask HN: Idea Sunday”

I mean, we're practically all advertisers in some way or another - every time we share a promotion with our friends, or even just discuss a new product we're interested in. Most of the time we're not advertising for the sake of profit, but just sharing interests with like-minded people. Social media outlets attempt to tap into our general ignorance of advertising profitability - and they act as the middle-man between companies wishing to advertise, and the people who're sharing with friends - but facebook take all of the profit by inserting themselves between these relationships, and the users who are sharing don't notice they done a large part of the advertising work, for free. Facebook can…

majewskyon Hacker News • Mentions

On “Mark Zuckerberg on Facebook’s hardest year, and what comes next”

Facebook manipulates the feed to show only those posts which guarantee maximum user engagement. When a new post is made, the post is initially shown only to a small subset of fans. It will be shown to more people only when they engage with your post or if you cough up money to promote the post. Here's science journalist Derek Muller (of Veritasium) describing his observations on this issue in detail: link to this video