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A New Way to look at Networking

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Van Jacobson discusses the history of packet networking and proposes content-centric networking as a solution to modern internet scaling and security issues.

Google Tech Talks August 30, 2006 Van Jacobson is a Research Fellow at PARC. Prior to that he was Chief Scientist and co-founder of Packet Design. Prior to that he was Chief Scientist at Cisco. Prior to that he was head of the Network Research group at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. He's been studying networking since 1969. He still hopes that someday something will start to make sense. ABSTRACT Today's research community congratulates itself for the success of the internet and passionately argues whether circuits or datagrams are the One True Way. Meanwhile the list of unsolved problems grows. Security, mobility, ubiquitous computing, wireless, autonomous sensors, content distribution, digital divide, third world infrastructure, etc., are all poorly served by what's available from either the research community or the marketplace. I'll use various strained analogies and contrived examples to argue that network research is moribund because the only thing it knows how to do is fill in the details of a conversation between two applications. Today as in the 60s problems go unsolved due to our tunnel vision and not because of their intrinsic difficulty. And now, like then, simply changing our point of view may make many hard things easy. Google engEDU Speaker: Van Jacobson

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What people say. Highly recommended as a visionary talk on the future of internet architecture by one of TCP/IP's major architects.

samatmanon Hacker News • Recommends

On “Ask HN: What's the best technical talk you've heard?”

I was surprised to command-F for Van Jacobson and not find this lecture, "A New Way to Look at Networking". link to this video Van Jacobson was the major architect of TCP/IP; here is how the Internet would work if he were in charge. If this is ever implemented it will change everything.

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Yes! Ted Nelson talks about this in this amazing and inspiring Google Talk video from 2006. He talks about the rise of packet-based networking, and how the future will be content-centric. link to this video

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On “Naming Things with Hashes”

You may be interested in this Google Tech Talk from 2006 - link to this video . I found it interesting at the time it came out.

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On “Urbit: The Internet failed (slides and video)”

…hought about them. And it gives some context for these slides' claim that "the internet has failed," by pointing to a working alternate system that's a better fit for some common cases. The link from the Urbit blog to the Van Jacobson talk is broken since Google Video was shut down, but you can now find it on YouTube 3. 1 link 2 link 3 link to this video…

ilakshon Hacker News • Mentions

On “Tent v0.1”

The mainstream internet is headed for content-centric networking. link link to this video That is what all of these ideas (like Tent) are moving towards (gradually). All it takes is for everyone to run a client that can do UDP and speaks a content-centric protocol. That could be an app, or built into Firefox & WebKit (the ideal route), or a browser extension. Doesn't require any servers. Actually after reading the content-centric Wikipedia article again, one related approach which isn't emphasized in that article are application-level distribution systems built on top of things like UDP and Kademlia (and its successors). The fundamental way that data layer is organized intersects with the way social…

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On “Immutable URLs”

This reminds me of Van Jacobson's Google Talk several years ago: link to this video Basically a sketch of if the entire HTTP-based web worked like bittorrent.

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On “UCLA, Cisco and more join forces to replace TCP/IP”

Isn't this identical in spirit to Content-Centric Networking (CCN) as espoused by Van Jacobsen? I distinctly remember watching his Google Tech Talk on the idea ( link to this video ) when I first joined AeroFS.

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On “Bidding farewell to Google Code”

These migrations would be much easier if we specified dependencies by content, not location. Obviously not Google's fault, just something to think about as we build future systems. link to this video

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On “A significant amount of programming is done by superstition”

It's interesting that you mention TCP/IP, because that's the most famous example of a technology that "works in practice, but not in theory". Take a look at Van Jacobsen's presentation on the history of ARPANET: link to this video Packet switching was "utter heresy" (20m in) when it was invented. It "wasn't a network, it was an inefficient way to use an existing network". And it almost collapsed 25 years after it was invented; the presenter is famous for inventing the modern TCP/IP congestion control that saved the Internet 1. The TCP/IP flow congestion algorithm has been redesigned several times since 2. It works not because it was designed well, but because it wasn't designed and instead evolved…

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…ernational NGO work or something, but his co-conspirator ended up working at BitTorrent, Inc for a bit. I don't know what BTSync is like today, but a few years ago when the call for beta testers first went out, its UX as described at the time was more or less the same as the way Snakebite's web interface worked.5 1. link 2. link 3. link 4. link to this video 5. link…

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On “Tailscale has raised $160M”

It's both, link > NDN has its roots in an earlier project, Content-Centric Networking (CCN), which Van Jacobson first publicly presented in 2006.. NDN applications name data and data names will directly be used in network packet forwarding.. Its premise is that the Internet is primarily used as an information distribution network, which is not a good match for IP, and that the future Internet's "thin waist" should be based on named data rather than numerically addressed hosts. NDN talk by Van Jacobson at Google (2006): link to this video