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Facebook Fraud

Veritasium

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An investigation into Facebook's advertising system, demonstrating how paid promotions can result in fake likes from click farms that harm page engagement.

Evidence Facebook's revenue is based on fake likes. My first vid on the problem with Facebook: bit.ly/1dXudqY I know first-hand that Facebook's advertising model is deeply flawed. When I paid to promote my page I gained 80,000 followers in developing countries who didn't care about Veritasium (but I wasn't aware of this at the time). They drove my reach and engagement numbers down, basically rendering the page useless. I am not the only one who has experienced this. Rory Cellan-Jones had the same luck with Virtual Bagel: bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18819338 The US Department of State spent $630,000 to acquire 2 million page likes and then realized only 2% were engaged. wapo.st/1glcyZo I thought I would demonstrate that the same thing is still happening now by creating Virtual Cat (facebook.com/MyVirtualCat). I was surprised to discover something worse - false likes are coming from everywhere, including Canada, the US, the UK, and Australia. So even those carefully targeting their campaigns are likely being duped into spending real money on fake followers. Then when they try to reach their followers they have to pay again. And it's possible to be a victim of fake likes without even advertising. Pages that end up on Facebook's "International Suggested Pages" are also easy targets for click-farms seeking to diversify their likes. tnw.co/NsflrC Thanks to Henry, Grey, and Nessy for feedback on earlier drafts of this video.

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simiason Hacker News • Recommends

On “Facebook CPC – Don't Waste Your Money”

There's a good analysis for this phenomenon: link to this video It was posted on HN a while back. The gist is that there's a high chance that your ad was clicked by click farms, even though you bought it legitimately from facebook (in an effort to fool clickfarm detection, apparently). What's even more interesting is that not only are you wasting money buying the ads, you also end up with less legitimate "likers" seeing your content because of the way facebook propagates new posts. So you're actually paying to get negative results.

Riseedon Hacker News • Recommends

On “Facebook CPC – Don't Waste Your Money”

Yes. Here's a video (by youtube user Veritasium) that walks through an experiment and explanation, for those who are interested. link to this video

vacrion Hacker News • Recommends

On “Facebook earnings gain as ad sales surge 82%; CFO is stepping down”

…r paying for more views, they were all from developing countries, a profile of users he'd never seen before with very little (0-1%) engagement with his page. It's worth checking out his videos if you want more detail on the patterns he found. It's pretty clear that it's fraudulent. link (explores problems he sees with FB as a marketing platform) link to this video (massive influx of unengaged developing-world pageviews)…

Veedracon Hacker News • Recommends

On “Reasons not to use Facebook”

Since this seems to just be a braindump, I might as well add Veritasium's comments on the matter: link link to this video I found them pretty interesting listening from a content-distribution and -consumption side of things, rather than from a social-network perspective.

lingbenon Hacker News • Recommends

On “Why Facebook’s video theft problem can’t last”

facebook as a platform and business is hollow, but very few realize it. this is similar to Enron, Madoff, the financial crisis, Groupon, etc. history has shown that 99.99999% of people totally miss these business models that are built on a MASSIVELY fraudulent or hollow foundation. When the music stops thousands and thousands of gallons of pixels will be spilt trying to explain how nobody saw their collapse coming and why they are not to blame. Here are two videos that succinctly introduce the reality of facebook's mirage: link to this video link

sean_patelon Hacker News • Recommends

On “We turned $140k on Kickstarter into $40k debt and broke even”

> Is that for real? Is everyone else's experience with Facebook advertising similar? Yeah. It's called "Facebook Fraud". See a real live experiment someone did, to figure out the true reach and ROI on Facebook Advertizing. => link to this video I too did a similar experiment using a pre-paid Visa card (for 50$) so that FB doesn't keep charging my Credit Card and/or lets it get stolen from bad security practices. My results were similar to the guy in the Youtube Video. Facebook's likes and "reach" are mostly automated or from in-house click-farms in South-east asia (think India, Vietnam, Phillipines etc)

game_the0ryon Hacker News • Recommends

On “Meta projected 10% of 2024 revenue came from scams”

…each, thus fb would get paid more - fb had no incentive to stop this and paying fb in the first place would be worse tha not paying them at all. LAWL. I guess the moral is -- never pay for boosting. And makes you question the quality of meta's revenue. But the flip sides is that many companies (mine included) rely on instagram ads for revenue. 1 link to this video…

selmnooon Hacker News • Mentions

On “Facebook made my teenager into an ad”

…of some farm animals and have people vote on which is more attractive."). link Or the guy who called people who submitted information to his site "dumb fucks"? ( link ). This latest move is exactly the quintessential spirit of the Zuck. But honestly, I'm expecting a lot more to come as the secret comes out that they can't make a lot of money ( link to this video ) -- I think they'll sell private information of users to insurance companies.…

MetaCosmon Hacker News • Mentions

On “Popular Viral Video Cries “Facebook Fraud"...And Gets It All Wrong ”

…t "brand building for when you have more marketing budget than sense"... well before this video (or the 2012 BBC one) put it into the commons. > Calling Facebook and its advertising “a fraud” because you choose to run a “like campaign” in a part of the world that is known for fraudulent clicks He ran it in US, CA, AU, UK targeting cat lovers (see: link to this video @ 6:00) -- additionally, this is a full on admittance that fraudulent clicks are a huge issue. > astute among us know that measurements such as “Likes” do not constitute anything Then maybe facebook shouldn't be selling them as the metric?…

sparkieon Hacker News • Mentions

On “Ask HN: Idea Sunday”

I mean, we're practically all advertisers in some way or another - every time we share a promotion with our friends, or even just discuss a new product we're interested in. Most of the time we're not advertising for the sake of profit, but just sharing interests with like-minded people. Social media outlets attempt to tap into our general ignorance of advertising profitability - and they act as the middle-man between companies wishing to advertise, and the people who're sharing with friends - but facebook take all of the profit by inserting themselves between these relationships, and the users who are sharing don't notice they done a large part of the advertising work, for free. Facebook can…

rwinnon Hacker News • Mentions

On “Q&A with Mark Zuckerberg”

…10% of your fans without paying. Only way of getting a message out to all your fans is to "boost" your post, which will cost you around 0.015 EUR per like the page has. 1 And on top of that if you ever used Facebook ads to get likes to your page, a majority of those are fake. 2 1 Based on my rough calculations on a couple of pages I run. 2 link to this video…

sillysaurus3on Hacker News • Mentions

On “New Facebook Rules Will Sting Entrepreneurs”

The advertising doesn't really help you, though. You're forced to pay for advertising which ends up targeted at people who don't engage with your brand. Check this out: link to this video Unless something has dramatically changed since that video was created 9 months ago, the situation is pretty grim.

pen2lon Hacker News • Mentions

On “Facebook’s Piracy Problem”

Did you watch his video where he explains his views himself? I find it pretty convincing: link Interestingly, a lot of people are getting very frustrated with Facebook for other reasons as well. Famously, there's Veritasium's video: link to this video I can really appreciate what they're feeling. With piracy as we have traditionally known it, at least usually the pirate is not directly profiting from his act of piracy. With freebooting, Facebook is literally profiting from other people's work. It's directly diverting money flow from the creator (who REALLY NEED THE MONEY) to Facebook. I think it's plainly ridiculous this is happening, and obviously Facebook will turn a blind eye to it because it's ma…

FilterSweepon Hacker News • Mentions

On “Philippines to Roll Out Nationwide Free Wi-Fi Service by 2016”

It appears their interest lies in: (a) having a competitive advantage in raw, large-scaled _metrics_ that Google does not have (see also: Facebook's emotion and behavioral studies0) (b) Being able to monetize their advertising platform better. They are well aware that their current numbers are blown up by fake likes, and clickfarms 1 At least this is just my take. I'm sure there are also other interests behind the scenes. 0: link 1: link to this video

roymurdockon Hacker News • Mentions

On “Facebook's Free Basics Shuts Down in Egypt”

How many people do you know that have ever purchased anything from a Facebook ad or clicked on one other than by accident? Ads are increasingly about product placement, brand presence and being top of mind. Especially when you can be sure that 80% of your clickthroughs on Facebook are from some bot network that Facebook doesn't bother to crack down on because it adds to their userbase metric, which is what the derive such a high valuation from. 1 I'm sure coke, nestle, and other branded basic commodities (food, drink, clothing) would love a way to show ads to this low-income segment. 1 link to this video

pdkl95on Hacker News • Mentions

On “Facebook ad click numbers are inconsistent with other analytics”

Facebook has a history of fraud in their other services. Veritasium fell victim to FB's scams as a publisher a couple years ago1. I know first-hand that Facebook's advertising model is deeply flawed. When I paid to promote my page I gained 80,000 followers in developing countries who didn't care about Veritasium (but I wasn't aware of this at the time). They drove my reach and engagement numbers down, basically rendering the page useless. They also have a history of encouraging video fraud23. 1 link to this video 2 link 3 link