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Steve Jobs responds to a hostile question at WWDC 1997 by explaining why product development must start with the customer experience rather than the technology.

Steve Jobs handling a tough question at the 1997 Worldwide Developer Conference. He had just returned to Apple as an advisor and was guiding sweeping change at the company. The full video is here - youtube.com/watch?v=6iACK-LNnzM - this interactions is at .

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What people say. Engineers frequently cite this clip as a timeless explanation of product design philosophy and the necessity of user-centric development.

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