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VCF East: Xerox Star vs. Apple Lisa

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Jason Perkins compares the user interfaces and design philosophies of the Xerox Star and the Apple Lisa at Vintage Computer Festival East 2020.

Start of Video First Commercial GUI Editing Document Apple Lisa Q & A Star Mouse Detail Wrap up A Live presentation by Jason Perkins at Vintage Computer Festival East 2020, a virtual event held October 10th & 11th, 2020. Jason compares the UI from the Xerox Star to the UI in the Apple Lisa. Filmed at the Vintage Computer Festival East 2020 at InfoAge Technology Center, Camp Evans, in Wall New Jersey. Vintage Computer Federation: vcfed.org VCF Discord: discord.gg/u4ybsBK #vcfeast #vintagecomputerfestival #vintagecomputers #vintagecomputerfederation

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GeekyBearon Hacker News • Recommends

On “Xerox Star 8010 Interfaces, high quality polaroids (1981)”

Here's video of Xerox personel demonstrating the Star 8010 UI back in the day. link Also, a more recent look at both the Star 8010 and the Apple Lisa. link to this video
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linguaeon Hacker News • Mentions

On “Carmack on Operating Systems (1997)”

…is a misconception that Apple and Microsoft simply stole the idea of GUIs from Xerox PARC without further innovating on it. This misconception is false; the Apple Lisa and the Apple Macintosh introduced many GUI conventions that were not present in Xerox PARC's GUIs (this video comparing the Apple Lisa to the Xerox Star highlights the differences: link to this video ), and Windows introduced additional innovations. Back to Plan 9…
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OhMeadhbhon Hacker News • Mentions

On “Macs Since 1983”

Meh. the Lisa was absolutely, positively, explicitly NOT a Mac. If you don't get that, then you misunderstand the business of computing in the late 70s / early 80s. The author also ignored Jef Raskin's work on the original Mac project (I wrote a serial driver for him in the early 80s for a 6809 prototype he was working on.) If you're going to make one of these Mac hagiographies, it's useful to point out the Canon Cat (which was more in line with Jef's original idea for the Mac) and then point out how different it was from main-stream Macs. And then point out WHY the Lisa was not a Mac. So... Why do people think the Lisa was a prototype Mac? It's easy to understand the confusion. It has a 68k…
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