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Black Hat USA 2013 - Spy-Jacking the Booters

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  • Presented by Brian Krebs and Lance James

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Brian Krebs and Lance James present research on DDoS-for-hire booter services and discuss the security and legal implications of these platforms.

By: Brian Krebs & Lance James It's become commonplace for security reporters and providers of security technologies to find themselves targets of hackers' wrath, especially when they put criminal activity under the spotlight. Earlier this year, Brian Krebs had done some work to expose a "booter" service. Like other public security figures, he found himself the target of repeated DDoS attacks. In Brian's case, this culminated in a "SWATting" attack -- a surprise visit by dozens of heavily armed police at his front door. Research on "booter" services reveals a relatively unsophisticated, but high-profit criminal community of DDoS-for-hire web sites that are capable of considerable impact. They operate under legal auspices, leveraging legitimate DDoS protection services. Anyone with an axe to grind and a small amount of money can hire one of these services to have virtually any person or web site knocked off the Internet. As an indicator of how mainstream these services have become, most of them accept payment via Paypal. This talk will delve into the recent proliferation of these malicious commercial DDoS services, and reveal what's been learned about their surreptitious functioning, exposing the proprietors behind these illicit services, and what is known about their targets and their thousands of paying customers. Emphasis will be placed on detailing the vulnerabilities present in most booter sites, and the lessons we can draw about how targets of these attacks can defend themselves.

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1 person recommends this, 1 disputes it

What people say. Linked primarily for the famous onstage debate between investigative reporter Brian Krebs and Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince regarding DDoS protection.

j_son Hacker News • Recommends

On “Sorting 2 Tons of Lego, Many Questions, Results”

My impression was the crowd's response was more of a "sick burn" (Krebs himself smiles and nods in this manner) rather than booing, shouts of disbelief and guffawing (and clapping) . If anyone is seriously considering avoiding CloudFlare based on your summary of the interaction, I encourage them to view the video for themselves. I personally appreciate the willingness to be true to oneself with a quick-witted reply rather than 100% PR-safe professionalism all the time. However, I don't mean to imply that your impression somehow should change or that you should change your decision! My world would be so much nicer if I could just avoid working with people that rubbed me the wrong way. link to this video

kefkaon Hacker News • Disputes

On “The Democratization of Censorship”

eastdakota (CEO of cloudflare) posted this: ____________________________________________ Yes, you can see Brian's critique of us here: link to this video Skip to minute 19:35. Then skip to the Q&A at minute 45:00 to hear my response. ____________________________________________ He repeatedly badgers Krebs on "why didnt you respond to my emails to meet", to the point they nervously laugh/cough on stage. "Who needs to actually ask questions, as a journalist?", said eastdakota ( link to this video ). This was what got me. I expect better composure from a CEO than childish and churlish jabs. (edits were purely for formatting and separating eastdakota's writing from mine.

kefkaon Hacker News • Disputes

On “Cloudflare bug data leak exposed”

…. Thridly, a direct insult towards Krebs onstage "Well, who needs to actually ask questions as a journalist?" 48:08 ... No. Just no. Absolutely not. And if I can find the post, Matthew Prince on here posted this video as a defence against a Tor dispute. Somehow, he thinks it's somehow enlightened and upright. My opinion, I don't believe so at all. link to this video Edit: Further citation: link look for user:eastdakota page text:"Yes, you can see Brian's critique of us here:"…

kefkaon Hacker News • Disputes

On “Sorting 2 Tons of Lego, Many Questions, Results”

1. CEO is an ass. 2. Supports Booters, script kiddies, and pay-to-play blackhat hackers 3. Fucks over Tor any chance they can get. -------------------------------------------- Proof for said allegations: Youtube video link to this video A: He continually berates because "he called and Brian Krebs never responded" B: Cloudflare CEO states that the booters (ddos pay-as-you-go sites protected by cloudflare) don't even pay, or pay with stolen credit cards. And admits is "just a disaster". C: Direct insult towards Krebs onstage "Well, who needs to actually ask questions as a journalist?" 48:08 /Youtube Video link look for user:eastdakota page text:"Yes, you can see Brian's critique of us here:"

eastdakotaon Hacker News • Mentions

On “The Democratization of Censorship”

Yes, you can see Brian's critique of us here: link to this video Skip to minute 19:35. Then skip to the Q&A at minute 45:00 to hear my response.

j_son Hacker News • Mentions

On “Sorting 2 Tons of Lego, Many Questions, Results”

The exchange starts at link to this video I'm not sure I see this from your perspective; multiple people in the crowd clap after your point "C", and much more clapping is heard when he sits down. If I were forced to classify the behavior (edit:specifically at 48:08) I would choose "smartass". The entire discussion is interesting in light of what happened recently with Uber/Kalanick.

j_son Hacker News • Mentions

On “Why We Terminated Daily Stormer”

Surprised no one has linked this back-and-forth discussion at Blackhat 2013 between cybercrime investigative reporter Brian Krebs and CloudFlare CEO Matthew Prince regarding CloudFlare's hosting of "booters"/DDOS marketing sites. I will put a bit of the conversation here, but please do listen to it in context. link to this video (quoting CloudFlare CEO Matthew Prince below, aka eastdakota on HN link ) 45:52 "Where would you draw the line?" 47:25 "It's really tricky when private organizations act as law enforcement" 47:33 "We try to follow what is due process" 47:56 smart-ass/sick burn re: Krebs's journalism 48:46 "We comply with any court order that we receive" (both takedowns and to not take things…