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Dan North and Julian Wood discuss strategies for delivering high-quality software in complex environments and challenging organizational structures.
This interview was recorded for GOTO Unscripted. #GOTOcon #GOTOunscripted gotopia.tech Read the full transcription of this interview here: gotopia.tech/articles/343 Daniel Terhorst-North - Originator of Behavior Driven Development (BDD) & Principal at Dan North & Associates @daniel-terhorst-north Julian Wood - Serverless Developer Advocate at AWS @julian_wood RESOURCES Daniel bsky.app/profile/tastapod.com linkedin.com/in/tastapod github.com/tastapod mastodon.social/@tastapod dannorth.net/blog Julian bsky.app/profile/julianwood.com twitter.com/julian_wood wooditwork.com linkedin.com/in/julianrwood s12d.com/goto Links youtu.be/86-Dy5U2p5Y youtu.be/MkbgZMCTUyU youtu.be/TgdFA72crHM youtu.be/a-BOSpxYJ9M youtu.be/zmA5fhV-FGk youtu.be/dU_WHead0oY youtu.be/JWIUPMMq9Fc youtu.be/ovRt6O7q1rA youtu.be/WPCrGYjrJ1Y youtu.be/Saaz6D1azlU youtu.be/7lHtXkYnip8 youtu.be/40d26ZGfhR8 youtu.be/fxfjYD_5qUI youtu.be/YAXGU2J7XjM youtu.be/cyZDLjLuQ9g youtu.be/lpNzR0fvxDw youtu.be/yPvef9R3k-M youtu.be/jTX45V5JuN4 youtu.be/9I9GdSQ1bbM youtu.be/sibLu7f_CeU youtu.be/UIRJrmywahE youtu.be/es3DNd5Qipg youtu.be/MYVrLXKJp0Y youtu.be/4YeZf3HupQA youtu.be/NoVTpeY3vOg youtu.be/wYEk0y8LYfg youtu.be/FbV9EFHnGOE youtu.be/trsDnGh-x4U youtu.be/-OhZU4_7gKA youtu.be/wO8M6M39vZk youtu.be/iyUgBcYLHdA youtu.be/dcp6YMAmI3M youtu.be/USc-yLHXNUg youtu.be/6xrGo1IIB3w youtu.be/lvs7VEsQzKY youtu.be/tgaKAF_eiOg youtu.be/oV8VSBSBrr4 DESCRIPTION Daniel Terhorst-North and Julian Wood share decades of experience to offer a nuanced view of programming, governance, and product delivery. By framing programming as a socio-technical activity, they emphasize the critical role of collaboration, feedback, and sustainable practices. The conversation challenges traditional governance models, advocating for hypothesis-driven product management and continuous feedback mechanisms. Through humorous anecdotes and hard-won wisdom, Terhorst-North inspires people to look beyond technical expertise to the broader ecosystem of teams, culture, and organizational alignment. [...] TIMECODES Intro 20y of GOTO: From agile beginnings to sustainable software Evolving TDD & BDD Bridging the gap: The case for domain language in code The Thoughtworks era: Innovation through necessity & collaboration DevOps, constraints & organizational flow Tips on product management & effective delivery Programming & socio-technical systems Outro RECOMMENDED BOOKS Jez Humble & David Farley • Continuous Delivery • amzn.to/452ZRky Nicole Forsgren, Jez Humble & Gene Kim • Accelerate • hWhat people say. Recommended as an insightful talk on how to implement software successfully in complicated domains.
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